by Tony Chen
Parenting.com recently posted an article entitled "Mad at Dad". While the gross stereotyping
is insulting, the article did help me to think about what has worked in my
marriage to defuse the "mad at dad" sentiment.
The premise of the article was a 1,000+ mom survey that addresses this
"mad at dad" feeling in particular (thus, don't call this a
"nationally representative sample" as this is the posterchild for
self-selection bias). Nonetheless, the feedback and raw comments are
insightful. Here's a sampling:
"I'm making breakfast, getting dressed, and screaming at everyone to get
ready -- while he's on the computer"
"It's like being pecked to death by a chicken. I call call these silly
little things the pecks that are nothing, but when they keeping happening, they
drive you crazy"
"When I've had sleepless nights staying up nursing the baby, and I'm up
early cleaning after last night's dinner and trying to have a moment to breathe
for myself, and my husband, by his own choice, gets up early and spends a lot
of time at the gym."
"Since we've been married, he has cooked twice that I can remember.
He doesn't know how to operate the dishwasher. He's never vacuumed."
And those were the nicer ones. They are reporting that a full 46%
of moms get irate with their husbands once a week or more.
As a dad who is proactive in bringing up my kids, my first reaction was
actually one of empathy for the moms who were brave enough to be quoted for the
article. No matter where we've been in life, feeling like we got shafted
by others' inaction is particularly disturbing.
However, my second reaction was that of being treated unfairly (hence, my
immediate poking holes into the survey methodology). And I admit it --
this thought also crossed my mind, "What about a "nationally
representative" survey on the topic of mad at mom?" I let that
stew for a bit, but then I came back to my senses. Unfortunately, the
results of such a survey would be just as biased, and we already know what would
come out of that. Probably along the lines of these rules
from the male side, which are so wrong, and yet so funny and true. That list has been forwarded to me at least 4 times these last few
weeks.
Back to the article. First the positives: I'm glad that the author
balances it out a bit to say that they still love and respect their husbands
and all that. And I think it's also a valid conclusion for moms to
support each other more -- just knowing that others are going through the same
thing helps tremendously. And the points about dads being too selfish are
right on - for some.
Now the negatives: The article is essentially demographic profiling, singling out all dads as buffoons.
It's like when I see a Chinese guy walking down the street with big glasses and
a pocket protector, I think, "thanks for representing us Chinese
folks." These stereotypes are reinforced in people's
experiences every day; we don't need yet another reinforcement. Sure,
there's truth in every generalization, but that's exactly what it is - a
generalization. Does this also mean that men are more selfish than
women? We just do our thing and leave the rest to you? These are
counterproductive discussions.
Instead of dwelling on those stereotypes, how about we put aside all of that
and find some ways to work together. Although there are times when I sincerely and absolutely have no idea what I'm doing, here's some things that have worked
in my household (so far...).
1. Accept that we're wired differently. Don't make me more
like you; instead, draw out the best of me. And I'll try to do the same. Can we agree on this?
I'm one-track, you're multi-track. I tend to be project-oriented with fixed
parameters. You tend to be relationship-oriented without parameters.
One is not better than the other -- each is good for its own purpose. It's good
that we have each other! Let's utilize that wiring to our advantage as a
family. I know I'm sorta guilty of my own judgment here (I'm making
generalizations), but I'm just saying that whoever is more
relationally-oriented needs to talk to their project-oriented partner more in
terms of projects/parameters. And vice versa.
2. Split up the responsibilities more clearly. I've often
found it useful for me as a guy to know that I "own" something.
For example, garbage is my domain, so I'm going make sure to do it
no matter what. If I don't do it, don't do it for me or else I don't
"own" it anymore. Let the garbage pile high, baby, and I'll
learn my lesson.
3. We all need down time, but we need to tell each other what that
looks like. For me, I tried to get along without that downtime
and ended up getting mad at mom for not giving me room for it. But the
problem was that she didn't even know what I needed. Crazy,
huh? It took me some time to figure out how to say it. But once I told
her that this is what I need, she is now always on the look-out for time slots I
could go have my cavetime. And I returned the favor for her. I
either go to the local Barnes & Noble or I go work out. Some
journal. Others hit the bar or coffee shop. Others hit the internet
or the TV. My wife sleeps and goes out with friends.
4. Figure out your partner's language of love. If I bought my wife
flowers, she's say, "why are you wasting money?" But if I
spontaneously put my arm around her shoulder as we're walking, that speaks to
her. Sometimes our expressions of love are lost in translation, and
sometimes that means we both have to learn a new language. Check out this
book on the topic.
All in all, the main thing I've learned is that I have to be a student of my
wife. I need to learn more about what she's like, what she likes, how she
thinks, and what she needs. I hope my wife (as well as the wives mad at dad) does the same for me because sometimes I can't even figure out me. The crazy thing is that I'll never really know 100% about her or me, but it'll be a
fun life trying to figure it out together.
Mad at Dad – my response
by Tony Chen
Parenting.com recently posted an article entitled "Mad at Dad". While the gross stereotyping
is insulting, the article did help me to think about what has worked in my
marriage to defuse the "mad at dad" sentiment.
The premise of the article was a 1,000+ mom survey that addresses this
"mad at dad" feeling in particular (thus, don't call this a
"nationally representative sample" as this is the posterchild for
self-selection bias). Nonetheless, the feedback and raw comments are
insightful. Here's a sampling:
"I'm making breakfast, getting dressed, and screaming at everyone to get
ready -- while he's on the computer"
"It's like being pecked to death by a chicken. I call call these silly
little things the pecks that are nothing, but when they keeping happening, they
drive you crazy"
"When I've had sleepless nights staying up nursing the baby, and I'm up
early cleaning after last night's dinner and trying to have a moment to breathe
for myself, and my husband, by his own choice, gets up early and spends a lot
of time at the gym."
"Since we've been married, he has cooked twice that I can remember.
He doesn't know how to operate the dishwasher. He's never vacuumed."
And those were the nicer ones. They are reporting that a full 46%
of moms get irate with their husbands once a week or more.
As a dad who is proactive in bringing up my kids, my first reaction was
actually one of empathy for the moms who were brave enough to be quoted for the
article. No matter where we've been in life, feeling like we got shafted
by others' inaction is particularly disturbing.
However, my second reaction was that of being treated unfairly (hence, my
immediate poking holes into the survey methodology). And I admit it --
this thought also crossed my mind, "What about a "nationally
representative" survey on the topic of mad at mom?" I let that
stew for a bit, but then I came back to my senses. Unfortunately, the
results of such a survey would be just as biased, and we already know what would
come out of that. Probably along the lines of these rules
from the male side, which are so wrong, and yet so funny and true. That list has been forwarded to me at least 4 times these last few
weeks.
Back to the article. First the positives: I'm glad that the author
balances it out a bit to say that they still love and respect their husbands
and all that. And I think it's also a valid conclusion for moms to
support each other more -- just knowing that others are going through the same
thing helps tremendously. And the points about dads being too selfish are
right on - for some.
Now the negatives: The article is essentially demographic profiling, singling out all dads as buffoons.
It's like when I see a Chinese guy walking down the street with big glasses and
a pocket protector, I think, "thanks for representing us Chinese
folks." These stereotypes are reinforced in people's
experiences every day; we don't need yet another reinforcement. Sure,
there's truth in every generalization, but that's exactly what it is - a
generalization. Does this also mean that men are more selfish than
women? We just do our thing and leave the rest to you? These are
counterproductive discussions.
Instead of dwelling on those stereotypes, how about we put aside all of that
and find some ways to work together. Although there are times when I sincerely and absolutely have no idea what I'm doing, here's some things that have worked
in my household (so far...).
1. Accept that we're wired differently. Don't make me more
like you; instead, draw out the best of me. And I'll try to do the same. Can we agree on this?
I'm one-track, you're multi-track. I tend to be project-oriented with fixed
parameters. You tend to be relationship-oriented without parameters.
One is not better than the other -- each is good for its own purpose. It's good
that we have each other! Let's utilize that wiring to our advantage as a
family. I know I'm sorta guilty of my own judgment here (I'm making
generalizations), but I'm just saying that whoever is more
relationally-oriented needs to talk to their project-oriented partner more in
terms of projects/parameters. And vice versa.
2. Split up the responsibilities more clearly. I've often
found it useful for me as a guy to know that I "own" something.
For example, garbage is my domain, so I'm going make sure to do it
no matter what. If I don't do it, don't do it for me or else I don't
"own" it anymore. Let the garbage pile high, baby, and I'll
learn my lesson.
3. We all need down time, but we need to tell each other what that
looks like. For me, I tried to get along without that downtime
and ended up getting mad at mom for not giving me room for it. But the
problem was that she didn't even know what I needed. Crazy,
huh? It took me some time to figure out how to say it. But once I told
her that this is what I need, she is now always on the look-out for time slots I
could go have my cavetime. And I returned the favor for her. I
either go to the local Barnes & Noble or I go work out. Some
journal. Others hit the bar or coffee shop. Others hit the internet
or the TV. My wife sleeps and goes out with friends.
4. Figure out your partner's language of love. If I bought my wife
flowers, she's say, "why are you wasting money?" But if I
spontaneously put my arm around her shoulder as we're walking, that speaks to
her. Sometimes our expressions of love are lost in translation, and
sometimes that means we both have to learn a new language. Check out this
book on the topic.
All in all, the main thing I've learned is that I have to be a student of my
wife. I need to learn more about what she's like, what she likes, how she
thinks, and what she needs. I hope my wife (as well as the wives mad at dad) does the same for me because sometimes I can't even figure out me. The crazy thing is that I'll never really know 100% about her or me, but it'll be a
fun life trying to figure it out together.

Thanks for a thoughtful, balanced point of view for all of us to ponder. It’s great advice, male or female.
Excellent post. Well balanced. My household runs differently because I am a stay at home dad, but regardless it all comes down to communication. I’d be curious to know in the more extreme situations cited in that article what the communication is like. I know that if my wife were ever to come at me with both barrels over something that seemed insignificant to me I would do my best to figure out what the root of the problem really was by talking to her. Not to diffuse the situation by pacifying her, but to make sure that if it is something within my control that I didn’t realize what was causing her angst is corrected.
What balanced, thoughtful coping concepts. I’d rather if the writer expressed what the evolutionalry advantage it is that things have turned out the way things have. I don’t want to cope, want to understand.
After I put up this post, I had a long chat with the wife. She, too, could relate to a certain extent to the “Mad at Dad” sentiment.
My #1 bad move: coming home from work and fairly quickly getting back onto the computer again. I used to have a no-computer rule be